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Rand, I’m The Guy Who Ranked You For Snuggie Dog Bed…

Alternate Title: How You SEOMoz/Google + Guys Are Failboating Hard With Your SEO “Analysis” Of The Situation

But First, The Backstory…

In an attempt to cover my tracks from prying webmaster eyes after winning a public SEO contest on Wickedfire, I 301’d my domain to seoMOZ thinking it would be a funny blog post later. LOL at me.

Rand gets wind of it, tweets about it, people confuse it with a negative SEO attempt, misunderstandings everywhere.

This guy pretends to have sleuth’d out the 301 via “advanced queries” but digging deeper, most likely he read about it on Wickedfire and just tried to play it like he had l337sauce ninja skills (ie, ran it thru ahrefs).

Then again, he used to work for Google Web Spam, so who knows?

Which brings us to…

Rand
I’m The Guy Who Ranked You For Snuggie Dog Bed……and other terms. 

Was going for the big dog term in the niche, dog snuggie, but only had the juice to get it page two. Shame, you lost out on some serious revenue potential there. High value term, no? No, but I digress…

First, let me backtrack a bit…

  • I apologize for the sweet WP default theme and lack of fancy plugins (something tells me that caching plugin is going to come in handy tho), I was hoping to write this post in a couple months when you ranked #1 for dog snuggie but alas, some people can’t keep their mouth’s shut.  This is why we can’t have nice things…
  • There was no malicious intent behind the ranking, I had just won a SEO contest over on the gay webmaster forum you erroneously labeled a “black hat forum” and figured I was going to get my site and methods analyzed deeply and rather than let people poke under the hood too hard, 301’d snuggeez.com over to you, figuring it would be 1) fairly innocuous with regards to the safety of your site and 2) good test of unrelated link juice to an authority domain like seomoz. And it behaved exactly like I thought it would, albeit slightly slower.
  • Hmm, thought I had another step in the way back machine here, but apparently not…good thing I used this cool unnumbered list feature.

So let’s get down to it then, shall we?

Some link spammers at one of the black hat forums apparently ran an experiment targeting SEOmoz’s home page with the anchor text “snuggie dog bed.” The results are surprisingly effective: http://bit.ly/IQbL1V

Actually, I (a couple others followed suit,  I’ll leave them out of this unless they want the credit) only 301’d a single site at seomoz.org. I’m not sure if you’ll be able to follow this or not, considering the appallingly bad SEO “intel” you tweeted in the above quote, but there’s no anchor text involved, at least directly. Instead I passed the cumulative link juice and backlink profile of my site onto you, or ~95% of it.

Pretty blackhat, amarite? Wait, what if I’m a brick and mortar business, say a dry cleaner, profits are up, and I buy out every other dry cleaning business in my town and 301 it to my site? Am I still a blackhat? Or just a shrewd businessman leveraging his assets (knowledge and cash) to improve his business while minimizing his tax bill? Pretty sure I know which side of the fence you’ll stand on but I painted the picture, I’ll let you name it.

Apparently, anchor text link bombing, even from very questionable sources, still works. I’d be surprised if they leave the links up for long given that Google/Bing webspam can use this as a honeypot, but it’s an interesting glimpse into how linkspam and anchor text operate.

 

I’ve read the above quote multiple times now and quite frankly, I’m shocked that you’ve managed to brand yourself as an SEO “expert”, let alone get people to overpay for your suite of outdated tools (serpIQ and MicroSiteMasters, ladies and germs, get with the times).

Anchor text link bombing….NOPE

Very Questionable Sources...I outranked the product site for “dog snuggie”, do you have any idea how much that term is worth? Not very much actually, I was shocked that people built sites targeting such low volume crap…why not flip burgers, pays better. Still, I built a site with 100% unique and high quality content, linked out to related sites, and waited for the natural links to come in…for about three minutes, then I got to work.

How you say? Sure let me join the parade of fools not bright enough to keep their mouth shut when something works and works well, that should end well. On second thought, that’s a no…let’s just say nobodies site was hacked, no links injected, none of the true “black hat” methods were employed. Now I did build links on other sites with the intent of improving my rankings and traffic, however, you’re doing the same thing with your blogger outreach and guest posts. Kettle, meet pot.

But It’s An Interesting Glimpse Into How Linkspam And Anchor Text Operate….actually, It’s an interesting glimpse into how assumptions based on previous experience without the depth of knowledge to correctly assign the correct factors plague the SEO industry, and you, as a SEO professional, should be held to a hotter crucible in this situation. It’s bad enough when the Wickedfire tools knee jerk assumption every algo change that comes down the pipe, now we get you misleading your flock of blind sheep too? No wonder nobody understands basic SEO principles anymore. For shame…

I’d love to dive into some of the comments on your google + page, the pure lack of SEO insight perpetrated over there astounds me, but unlike your toadies who think posting in your circles = being a webmaster, I’ve got a new Google algo update to decipher…plus some of my old autoblogs popped back up, need to find out why. I’ll revisit the rest of that at a later date.

Rand, I’ll finish with two thoughts:

If you want the 301 taken off, just let me know, no harm no foul. Either hit me up on twitter or leave a comment here and I’ll sort it out.

And finally, I gotta give your social media game a plus rep, your twitter/google+/seomoz engagement is really top notch (as you can see from my 6 followers, mine not so much) and I commend you for your participation. While I think your SEO worldview is extremely short sighted and misleading to the newbies you rope into high monthly fees, your social media game has me slightly jelly. Maybe we can become BFFs and I’ll teach you upper level SEO concepts while you teach me about representing some big brands?

Much love,

Grind

P.S. Testing my lander sales copy, nothing to see here.

P.S.S. Anybody reading this that wants to rank for big terms and has a big budget for some seo consulting, well hell, dog snuggie…need I say more?

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Grindstone

Just a guy who loves SEO and making money on the intertubez. Low tolerance for stupidity and self-righteous assholes. Thinks he's funnier than he is, just ask his wife. Wrote this stupid blurb in third person because it's annoyingly amusing to him. Might help you rank your projects if the numbers are right, but probably not.

240 thoughts on “Rand, I’m The Guy Who Ranked You For Snuggie Dog Bed…”

    1. Oh look, chinese uggz spammers found me minutes after posting…does this add an air of legitimacy to my ugly little default theme blog?

      1. Chinese are everywhere, sorry about that. 哈哈哈哈哈
        Actually I like your post! After reading, I think I should learn some other more interesting ways to do SEO…
        One question, excluding 301 the whole snuggeez.com, what other things have you done, None?

        1. I hiked across the entire Cascade range East to West when I was 12 with a #40 backpack. I’ve put up a slew of first descents in the Northern Rockies. I passed up a chance to sail around the world on a 90′ yacht. I survived an attempted mugging. Other than that, not much..

        1. What’s your point? I don’t think any of us popped out of the womb building links and understanding algorithm intrinsic functions…well, maybe Bofu, but not the rest of us.

    2. Oh shit… didnt take long for the first link drop… gimmie some… maybe rand will tweet this and make these golden nuggets of spam.

    3. Man juice all over that ledge while they did a mantle.

      ^^ can you write an ebook on this story, was so much LULz

    1. Not in the least, I suggest you check out backpage.com, craigslist M4M or possibly hit up Faceblogger on Wickedfire. Good luck bro.

    1. Heh, a few weeks later is seems to be #1! Gotta love Google’s new-found relevancy. I’m just sort of surprised it isn’t some spun, unreadable article on dogsnuggiebed(dot)com.

    1. Rumour (britfag spelling, hi Mattseh) has it that a half completed copy with worse abuse of conventional grammar and spelling rules than this post exists on a hard drive near you.

  1. Dear webmaster
    I am glad that you wrote such amazing blogpost on topic of seo. Your insights are fantastically and I will be bookmarking your article.

    Also I think I saw a spelling mistake.

    1. Just one?

      And thank you for being bookmarking my article…no mention of how my theme is broken in {Safari|Opera|Flock|iOS|some other lame browser used predominantly by hipsters in skinny jeans and taped glasses}?

      1. As a skinny jean and taped glasses wearing hipster I resent that remark.

        I use a browser I built myself by the way. All those others are too mainstream.

          1. Fuck web browsers. It’s all about web trousers. Can’t get online with them for shit but there’s nothing like having spider silk supporting your balls to really get your engine going.

    2. Dear webmaster
      I am glad that you wrote such amazing blogpost on topic of seo. Your insights are fantastically and I will be bookmarking your article.

      Also I think I saw a spelling mistake.

      1. Hi Fake Pace Lattin, please tell Real Pace Lattin to unsubscribe me (again) from all his newsletters that I never signed up for. Cheers.

    1. Thanks. Ranking for dog snuggie almost makes it into the top 1000 most valuable terms I’ve ranked for since 2004. I might make myself a plaque for the wall. A trophy would be too far I think.

  2. Build quality content, circle jerk on Google+, let others naturally link to your content, give them hand job in return….profit… amirite?

    1. Only when wearing a crystal that glows white hot with your bros that know the raw SERP crushing power. Feels good man…

  3. Finally some entertainment in the SEO industry with someone having the balls to publically come out and speak against baby jesus of the SEO world. +1 to you.

    1. Just a guy…sort of a basement dwelling mouth breather if I want to go full disclosure mode…who ranks sites, and sometimes 301s them other places in hopes for:

      – hiding my tracks from prying webmaster eyes
      -potential lulzy blog posts later
      -potential epic linkbait
      -helping my new potential BFF rank for high value income producing terms so he doesn’t have to engage in another failed attempt to secure venture capital.

      But mostly I don’t like incorrect labels and assumptive SEO, the pure volume of poor analysis that gets repeated until it’s considered truth in this industry drives me nuts, especially when it comes from an industry leader like Rand.

  4. After a frustrating night of seeing rankings tank across the board this sure gave me a good laugh for the time being.

    1. Maybe you should spend less time on the gay webmaster forum and more time listening to SEOmoz ideology, I bet their rankings didn’t take a shit yesterday. Food for thought…

  5. I have find myself thinking this theme has some of a thing I would like to see on an area I think. Thanking the webmaster.

    Really enjoying this drawn-out call-out of the Fish. I think it stands to reason that “SEO professionals” are hard to define (God knows jobs and job titles change over time, but I’ve never seen anything like our industry) (one more use of the word ‘guru’ is going to have me reaching for my whack-a-mole). Days, weeks and months on the best advice we’ve had (read: least speculative) from the ‘best in the business’ – and that’s the business of informing from the inside out – is that we need content. Brilliant.

    Speculation Fish.

      1. Dude.. Not THERE!

        (God knows jobs and job titles change over time, but I’ve never seen anything like our industry (one more use of the word ‘guru’ is going to have me reaching for my whack-a-mole))

        Like that!

        Don’t go overboard pal, everyone loves an underdog.

        1. Oh man, nested (), that’s some next level grammar skills. Tried to help but failed hard. My humble apologies.

          1. It’s good to see you’re off busying yourself with some seo related research.

            “but unlike your toadies who think posting in your circles = being a webmaster, I’ve got a new Google algo update to decipher”

            Oh no, wait.. you’re LOVING the comment natter. Humblest apologies accepted most humbly. Looking forward to the next move.

    1. Thanks for kind words on my template, it took three clicks and four fields in fantastico to create, I’m quite proud. Haven’t heard from Rand yet, probably won’t, I imagine he’s too busy running his empire to waste time on the likes of me but I welcome the chance to educate him the true definition of blackhat and maybe trade some baseball cards or something, haven’t given up on the BFF angle yet.

    1. I’m only approving your blatant attempt to manipulate my link juice and traffic for your nefarious ends because I like frogs. That an outbound link to an authority site like Wikipedia never hurt, amarite?

  6. Hey

    Great post about [insert topic]. I especially liked to part about [insert nonsense topic to make author believe you mean it).

    I will most definantly remember it the next time i’m trapped in a canoe on a lake in the dessert.

    Best regards
    SEOoptimisationLinkbuilder blah

    1. What are having for dessert? I’m an ice cream guy personally, but it doesn’t fit on any of the low carb diets I’ve undertaken in an attempt to rid myself of this hideous neckbeard.

    1. Newsflash: This entire post (and the whole motivating factor from taking this WP install hello world stage to something of “substance”) was a reply to that thread. Thanks for keeping up. Then again, since I didn’t mention that thread in the OP, perhaps I’m the one riding the short bus. Hmmm…

    1. Pretty sure SEOmoz qualifies as a big brand…they rank #1 now for snuggie dog bed…and #16 for seo software. I heard they had an active community too.

    1. I wholeheartedly wonder if your first name is Homosexual or Homosexual Dog…either way, kudos on landing a badass last name like Outfits.

    1. Naw, we just need to get him educated on the correct terminology and some more advanced SEO concepts, then all will be well in the world.

  7. yo grindstone, you seem to disagree with me, but I have 7 people who are willing to participate in my wiki seo page experiment. Want to join in? Google bombing is really nothing new. De-ranking the most popular SEO page for the term SEO would be… LMK

    1. yo josh bachynski, I see from your reply you still don’t get it after I tried to explain it to you on Traffic Planet. Nobody got google bombed here and you’re wasting your time trying to de-rank the most well optimized (minus meta descripts but who needs them when you got authority interlinking from here to eternity) just by pushing links. Now if you were going to push links that you had the power to quickly remove, creating a massive spike in negative velocity, then you might have something there. Protip for Rand: You might want to explore that last sentence as something to cover for your paid users. Thank me later with a latte or long walk on the beach.

    1. Are you looking to lose weight without exercising or perhaps enhance the size of your manhood? If so, I have lots of content I could point you towards…

    1. Oh sure, I’ll take the time out of my busy day of F5ing stats and trying to reverse engineer the latest algo to hack into my WP install so you can get a tad more linkjuice.

      Whiteboarded it, current priority level #1325, check back often to see if it’s dofollow (like it matters…#snicker)

    1. Me too, big fan of honeycrisps. I’ll sign you up for my 8th best friend forever, if Rand doesn’t respond soon you can be #7.

  8. Finally a real SEO guy steps out! It is kind of like the get rich books. They get rich from selling the book, not from anything they write about. Kind of like Rand and SEOmoz.

  9. ok bishes you got it right. You are sheep and rand is one of the many shepherds selling you their snake oil. Get it right or never get it . Hard work and decyphering of cyphered indiana jones secrets gets you to success . Not some Wafoish-seomozish shit that promise you eternal wealth and bs.

    1. I don’t think Rand/SEOmoz deserves to be lumped into that incestuous cess pool of WSO slingers. If you were just starting out in SEO today, you’d be well served to start there for your basics and then as your experience level grew, move on.

      100% agree about hard work though, testing SEO theories = you’ll make money, writing about SEO theories on your google + wall only makes you monies if you have something to sell to your followers.

  10. I approve this message.

    You should really consider making this a blog that isn’t a massive cesspool of contradiction and get down to real hard facts, like what black hat has worked, case studies and all. Now that would be a valuable resource.

    However, everyone either seems to keep their cards to their respective chests, or just have an affiliate link so their opinion is biased anyway.

    Yours, someone who is fed up of bullshit WSOs, BHW, BHT, SEOMoz, Etc.

    1. “You should really consider making this a blog that isn’t a massive cesspool of contradiction and get down to real hard facts, like what black hat has worked, case studies and all. Now that would be a valuable resource.”

      Alternatively, I could let Matt Cutts and his boys remote into my servers and my desktop so they didn’t miss any of the finer details.

      Outstanding idea, old chap.

  11. Grindstone, I love this. You know how I feel about SEO companies that rank #16 for “SEO software”

    Why no social plugins on this page? Think you might be missing a lot of shares.

    1. Thanks for the input Mark David Chapman, I had actually white boarded social share plugin, real theme, SEO plugin and some other stuff for this site but they fell below getting that one guy some more link juice by turning his nofollow link dofollow on the priority list.

      Also, I think they might be #5 for seo software now.

  12. I’ll take a blue snuggie for my shitzoo… Unless you have them in Purple?

    LOVE the site Grind! Haven’t laughed that hard in forever.

  13. Thanks for having the balls to publish what I’ve always thought about SEOMoz.

    The only reason why people use OpenSiteExplorer is that Yahoo Site Explorer got shut down and OSE had the exposure to milk the market.

    Rand is human at the end of the day and he doesn’t work for Google. All of his posts are educated guesses and not THE penultimate rule.

    Do any of you know why SEOmoz are out of the SEO Consulting game?
    Because they have the social proof needed to milk money out of the millions of people in the online marketing industry by hawking off their 2nd rate tools and content which is readily available anywhere else on the web.

    Grindstone – nice post, thank you for publishing some SEO truth instead of lame ass politically correct bullshit that normally gets syndicated in this circle jerk of an industry we have.

  14. Hilarious post, comments were just as good too. who’s next on the hit list? Oh, it is possible to be a wso seller and an seo. i don’t like incest either. buy viagra ;)

    1. Oh, it is possible to be a wso seller and an seo.

      I’m going to let you in on a little secret…I love the WaFo…goodbye street cred.

  15. hahahahahha

    seomoz aka Snuggie Dog Bed OWNED….

    I dunno why but i hate Rand…he just remind me of that whining bitch who doesnt hear your logical points and keep arguing for no reason….also that bitch always keen on destroying other people business by outlining them and preaching her so called moral values which she has violated at fullest in her past…

    Reasons to Hate SEOMOZ aka Snuggie Dog Bed:
    – seomoz buy links for there clients and preach the people not to do so..
    – seomoz feels proud in destroying other people business while promoting there bullshit services..
    – seomoz has RandFishkin. period.

    1. Hate is a strong word. And while point 3 is factually correct, I think points one and two need some evidence if you’re going to be throwing out claims like that. Unless you’re willing to desecrate your online identity of Snuggie Dog Bed.

      1. Point 2 Evidence = http://www.seomoz.org/blog/how-garbage-ranks-in-the-serps-a-case-study

        This guy is the creator of Adsense CTR theme. The most basic reason for pathetic content farms web spam. And he is telling others to stop web spam.
        Read the comments and the article. you will get it!

        SEOMOZ do the same and promote there tools with such case studies often. If each case study they brag how wonderful seo link pro is and blah blah //
        Aron wall also openly criticize them in past for such behavior

        Point 1 Evidence = http://directmatchmedia.com/seomoz-link-buying.php

        They use just a different way of buying links for there clients. for obvious reasons i cant say the name of client but here you have something ti consider about.
        A company so vocal against paid links, itself indulge in paid links…because they believe it can improve there rankings. And this company also offers SEO Services….!!
        oh wait… :D

        P.s. hopefully my website link against ma name will remain intact now :)

          1. Yeah, I know. Clueless. They’re going to be documenting what used to work while the creative among us will have moved on to what works now. Gotta spend that VC somehow though…btw, I think anchoring them for snuggie dog bed jumped the shark a couple weeks ago. #justsaying

  16. Love it… this proves beyond doubts that there is no black hat white hat SEO. just SEO and it is all the same no matter how many algo’s Google are going to take out, there’s always a grindstone to grind it to dust.. :)

    haven’t laughed like this in long long times.

    THX

    1. Actually, I think it only proves that Rand’s definition of “black hat” SEO is off, I certainly consider the guys who hacked my servers last month for massive link injections black hat.

      Interestingly enough, it appears that it’s possible that Google share’s Rand’s view on what defines blackhat…stay tuned.

          1. official – [uh-fish-uhl]
            noun
            1.
            a person appointed or elected to an office or charged with certain duties.
            adjective
            2.
            of or pertaining to an office or position of duty, trust, or authority: official powers.
            3.
            authorized or issued authoritatively: an official report.
            4.
            holding office.
            5.
            appointed or authorized to act in a designated capacity: an official representative.
            6.
            (of an activity or event) intended for the notice of the public and performed or held on behalf of officials or of an organization; formal: the official opening of a store.

            PS. Im in the market for a new BFF, Ive always been partial to funny gingers(like cartman(from the cartoon south park).

  17. I am a bit confused. I wanted to buy a snuggie dog bed but can’t find it anywhere here on the site. Please lead me a bit.

  18. I think what this proves more than anything is that the SEO industry is still full of morons. Props to Grindstone for pulling a neat trick, and slops to his (or her…this is the internet) peers/supporters for demonstrating why they don’t make any money online.

    If you guys aren’t aware of both the simplicity and effectiveness of a 301 redirect, and how it does NOT constitute a Google Bomb, I’m afraid you don’t deserve to be playing on the interwebz.

    1. If you guys aren’t aware of both the simplicity and effectiveness of a 301 redirect, and how it does NOT constitute a Google Bomb, I’m afraid you don’t deserve to be playing on the interwebz.

      Agreed, and for the record, I didn’t out the technique. I’ll update this post at some point filling in the whole backstory, as I don’t have time to respond to all the questions I’m getting in here.

    1. I think the google SERPs have sorted themselves out enough now that you can actually find dog snuggie vendors instead of SEO charlatans and smart ass punks.

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    1. Funny that your IP doesn’t match the real website nuking google visit but Justin Case, I’m approving your comment.

  20. Excellent … love it!!!!!
    However, does Rand really sell snuggie dog beds? I think this is un-true!
    Maybe next time, if you are going to tell lies, rank the Moz for something like SEO specialists ….

    Loving your work and cant wait to see that unshaven weedy white boy jumping around talking shit on the next WBF!!!!

    KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

    1. Maybe next time, if you are going to tell lies, rank the Moz for something like SEO specialists ….

      Cold. Funny, but cold.

      1. Sorry …. should have read

        Maybe next time, if you are going to tell lies, rank the Moz for something like SEO {specialists | experts | professional | masters}

  21. First time I’m ever commenting on a blog post manually.
    Rand fishy is never gonna comment about this. He likes to ignore things that harm his “reputation”. Just try asking him about all the websites he’s outed and whether he thinks outing websites is along the same lines as negative seo or not.

    1. Yeah, I’m starting to seriously doubt we have any chance at becoming BFFs. That’s ok, the dimples on the Cutts fellow are soooooooooooooooo cute, I might have to slot him in as BFF #8.

      1. Yay I haz link!?

        Heh. If I was gay I’d be hot for you right now ;)

        Gotta love what my dirty dirty mind did naturally. Maybe I should spin this two girls one cup comment up and rank M. Cunts for it.

          1. Comments with relevant text in body? Come on now..It’s one thing from my experience that’s worked, don’t tell me my whole life was a lie?

          2. While I appreciate the humor in your link attempts, I’m going to have to force you to find your anchor text for said project elsewhere, I think I’v made enough enemies in Mountain View for now.

          3. Haha. I got enough backlink sources. If I was making a link attempt, I definitely wouldn’t do it on a site which is in the eye of “top seos” of the world. :)

  22. wow wow wow …………..wowaaaawoooooooo

    simply superb i don’t know who is this but you mr.stone…great job

    again you proved you are better than the seomoz and the white chimpanzee matt cutts.

    but first i thought you used anchor text for this experiment……….ohh dude you rocks…………….

    1. Actually, I think Rand might have pwned me but I’ll hold judgement on that for another 24 hours before that blog post.

  23. Welcome, to the golden age of SEO trolling!
    It’s as easy as “Wax on,Wax off”!
    Except now try “301 on, 301 off!

  24. Too bad grind, you got this all wrong :) seo , among others, equals brand :) Who taught you SEO probably told you to jump from the titanic to get first place for a keyword, but you probably didn’t read google updates mentioning to wait for a boat ;) oh, and PS: I’m sure Rand doesn’t give 2 cents about your actions, or maybe we can do that, he has a bilion of cents ;)
    PS2: start reading about marketing

    1. Is this real life? English even? I feel like your message is very important (since it has so many emoticons in it) but I can’t for the life of me understand what your point is…maybe this is that coded algo decracker thingamajigg that poster up there ^^^ was referring to?

    1. Good thinking, try some 311s and 313s too..just stay away from the 312. Left your link because I think lots of my WF readers would definitely be interested in optimizing your ass.

    1. They take great pride in their rampant homosexual webmastering skills over there, I think many will be disappointed they’re not #1.

  25. I’m just leaving a comment so that I may get a witty reply in return. Thanks in advance.

  26. Grind, excellent read and an equally fine lesson in basic SEO. I am sure that some will now but this into their “advanced SEO ninja toolkit” and make a ton of money off it.

    The sad thing is at the end of the day none of them over there get it – Google does not love them it loves money. Matt is not their friend, he is just a tool of the Google marketing department to cover their take over of web advertising.

    Keep on keeping on!

  27. But where was Rand actually wrong?? He wasn’t… all he said was that links had been put into Moz which explained it, and they have… just because those links go via a 301 doesn’t mean they’re no longer links.

    From what I can see, he took a shot and got it pretty close… unless you expected him to spend his time digging deeper and investigating this thoroughly when really it’s a matter of no consequence or use to anybody, I would guess he’s a pretty busy guy with running Moz so can’t blame him for not bothering with this little drama too much, and just going with what he’d heard elsewhere.

    Hardly a fail in my book.

    1. I’ll respectfully disagree. If you’re a leading SEO who sells premium SEO coaching memberships and has literally 1000’s of people hanging on your every SEO utterance, get it right. Why mis-educate your followers who pay you for that education?

      1. Uhhh… because more people will pay Rand for lying to them than will pay him for telling them the truth. Rand isn’t completely stupid, he’s just coin operated.

          1. I’m sorry I still don’t get it.

            My take on this is just that it’s a non-issue. Something relatively minor happened, Rand gave comment. He wasn’t incorrect with that comment he just gave a best guess which was pretty close, there was no attempt to educate paying members, it was just an off-the-cuff remark. I just think this whole thing is becoming a mountain out of a mole hill.

            And all the SEOmoz hating seems pretty backwards. I get a lot of good info from Moz, I learnt a lot from it when I first started four years ago and continue to learn from it today.

            There seems to be some sort of “AntiMoz” sentiment in some circles, odd considering all SEOmoz is, is a large number of professionals who spend time in digital marketing sharing their thoughts and experiences with the rest of the community. How can anybody possibly think there’s no value in that?!

          2. Approving because you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink…

  28. The article was good. The replies to comments is priceless. I don’t think I’ve ever read a comment stream this long all the way to the bottom.

    1. Approved because their is a llama farm down the road and while I think llama’s are pretty cool, I have no idea what they have to do with articles. Perhaps some time reading SEOmoz will help you with your branding efforts a little?

  29. Just saw the last whiteboard on SEOmoz Friday or whatever it was on negative SEO I believe – seriously cannot believe that he did not mention you, WF, or any of the stuff that is going on right now hahaha

    1. I would have been more surprised if he HAD mentioned it, he has nothing to gain by responding to me. If I wasn’t so freaking busy making money I would love to do a Black Board Saturday series…maybe if I sold SEO advice instead of actually practicing it, I would have time for such shenanigans.

  30. Grind, this is a legit question. What happens to the links pointing to your subpages/posts when you do a domain 301 redirect? And can you tell me a software to clone my site? I just want to move on a new domain after the latest Penguin shit by Matt Cutts

    Matt Cutts is gay,Matt Cutts is gay,Matt Cutts is gay,Matt Cutts is gay,Matt Cutts is gay,Matt Cutts is gay,Matt Cutts is gay,Matt Cutts is gay,Matt Cutts is gay

    Please don’t erase that, I am just doing a negative SEO for matt cutts

    1. If that’s your strategy to negative SEO Matt Cutts, I think he’ll be just fine. Good luck with that bro…

      Backup buddy will clone your site, but if the last one got nuked, why try to do the same thing and expect different results? Queue Albert Einstein quote here…

      I’m not going to publicly discuss 301s, I never would have mentioned any of this if that one doucher hadn’t outed my site on Rand’s google+ wall.

  31. A great IM’er once said ‘Just how much can a noob be milked for anyway?’ Trouble is … noobs wanna be milked – and guys like Rand are there to relieve them of as much $ as they possibly can. Way to show ‘em up!

    1. I’d rather have my spleen removed through my urethra than write a post on how to make money from blogging.

  32. hey. you know you just built 3,000 natural links for SEOmoz with this right?? hahaha

    It’s easy to catch Rand saying “black hat” ish all the time. All you have to do is watch whiteboard friday. I watched one baout guest blogging that said (and i quote):

    “I would also be seeking in the things that you are looking for, in the metrics and sort of things that you are looking for, try to find, if you can, blogs that get scraped. I know this is an odd one, but blogs that get scraped, it tends to be an indication that that blog is important and well-known and that other people are taking and using their content, some of them for legitimate purposes, some of them for less legitimate purposes. But the value comes particularly when you have a link from one of these sites that gets scraped and republished all over the Web, that you get links from a lot more domains than just the one domain where you’re writing.”

    How is that a white hat practice lol.

    The issue is, is that he doesn’t even know what black hat, white hat, or grey hat even truly means, then he tries to preach it.

    1. hey. you know you just built 3,000 natural links for SEOmoz with this right?? hahaha

      Linkbait works, obviously. Now regarding the link in one of these comments over to SEOmoz…is it natural if I anchored them with the intention of increasing his SERP position? He was 16 for SEO Software last week, 6 this week. Circumstance or pure chance? I hope Google is still monitoring this blog…

      The issue is, is that he doesn’t even know what black hat, white hat, or grey hat even truly means, then he tries to preach it.

      Exactly the point of my post. Quit labeling shit if you don’t even understand it. That’s politics, not providing value to your chosen industry.

  33. Take a college drop-out and add in a whole 10 hours SEO a week and you have the makings of one of the greatest SEO success stories of the web.

    Long live the one-eyed king, and all he may lead.

    Sources: LinkedIn and SEO Moz profiles

  34. This is a message to the webmaster. I discovered your “Rand, I’m The Guy Who Ranked You For Snuggie Dog Bed… | Grindstone SEO” page via Google but it was difficult to find as you were not on the front page of search results. I see you could have more visitors because there are not many comments on your site yet. I have found a website which offers to dramatically increase your rankings and traffic to your site: http://www.linklegends.com/free-trial. I managed to get close to 1000 visitors/day using their services, you could also get lot more targeted visitors from search engines than you have now. Their free trial and brought significantly more visitors to my site. Hope this helps :) Take care.

    1. I’m approving this because you’re an idiot of epic proportions for posting your blog spam here, considering the attention this post receives. Unlike the previous 142 spam comments I marked as spam (and the next 500 probably), you qualify for an extra special bit of loving. Enjoy it.

  35. After reading this, I want to buy you a drink.

    Has WF really made me gay?

    And yeah, I think Bofu was born this way.

  36. Thank you for this enlightening post.

    One day Satan met with little Rand
    and said, “here son, take my hand”.
    “if you do as I say”
    “We’ll be roommates one day”

    1. I would like to discover a lot more about Search Engine Otpimisation and stay up to date on Google information examine but then I clicked through to your site…and it sucks. I’m only approving this comment in hopes your boss discovers what a shitty SEO you are and you get curb kicked ASAP. Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, I’m a comment spammer.

    1. Great attempt at a link drop…actually, I take that back, it was fucking lame. Up your game, son.

  37. Dude, you’re f’n hilarious. Love the sarcastic sense of humor. I found a link to this post while doing some research on bhw and i let this page sidetrack me for a good 10-12 minutes just because of your personality. Haven’t check out the rest of your site, or anything else about you… but If it’s more of this I’m lovin’ it.

    1. Whatever you say boss. The best black hat SEO techniques never see the light of public day and is so cleverly done that it appears whiter than white. But keep running your mouth publicly thinking you’re getting one over on the Man. Enjoy your new found status as honey pot of the week.

    1. Great use of comment spam in a reputation management attempt. Right up until the point where you spelled your website wrong…FFS.

  38. This is a message to the webmaster. I discovered your “Rand, I’m The Guy Who Ranked You For Snuggie Dog Bed… – Grindstone SEO” page via Google but it was difficult to find as you were not on the front page of search results. I see you could have more visitors because there are not many comments on your website yet. I have found a website which offers to dramatically increase your rankings and traffic to your site: http://www.linklegends.com/free-trial. I managed to get close to 1000 visitors/day using their services, you could also get lot more targeted traffic from search engines than you have now. Their free trial and brought significantly more traffic to my site. Hope this helps :) Take care.

    1. I discovered your “Rand, I’m The Guy Who Ranked You For Snuggie Dog Bed… – Grindstone SEO” page via Google but it was difficult to find as you were not on the front page of search results

      Really, what were you searching by chance that delivered this post while not being page 1? Smells fishy and I don’t mean Rand.

      you could also get lot more targeted traffic from search engines than you have now.

      #smh, this site isn’t designed to rank for anything. Perhaps you should actually read the content before copy pasting (or botting, if you’re good) the page title into your sales pitch in the comment form. Leaving links intact in hopes you get loved tenderly by Google. And by tenderly I mean similar to one of Faceblogger’s prison rape fantasies…good luck bro.

  39. This was some funny shit dude! The utter drivel some of these so called “SEO EXPERTS” come out with is Questionable like you say… I saw Danny Sulvian got smashed on his blog post the other day for making similar un thought about comments. Fair play though he continued to stick up for himself over and over again. If I was Rand I would of replied to this post already! :-) Maybe along the lines of fair play, good experiment, things learnt…. But hey his heads full of spunk!

  40. Nice stuff, had the same topic on my site *nameless* cause i dont like traffic from SEO’s since they dont click adsense ads. But as per the dry cleaner comment you nailed it, so many high mighty “white hat” seos trying to define what is white hat, then on their site they have useless footer text, and a jump menu filled with keyword links at the bottom with the exact same links that are in the menu.

    And since I said “exaaaaactly” twice during this post, I will give you an hours worth of SEO humor. Start here internet-wizard.net and follow the network of sites. Anyone who finds less than 100 of them and doesnt spot every instance of hidden text is a newb.

    And when you laugh as much as I expect, I accept link payment or lawn mowing.

    1. And when you laugh as much as I expect, I accept link payment or lawn mowing.

      Will read it on a rainy day, hope your lawn doesn’t get too long in the meantime.

  41. Lawn is the neighbors problem to look at. You’ll really enjoy the keyword stuffing in the jpegs. Made sure he photoshopped his keywords on the pictures & All the animated gifs almost crashed my Commodore 64.

  42. Ich bin nicht das erste Mal hier und finde immer das was ich suche.
    Nein, ich schaue regelmäßig auf dieser Webseite nach und finde immer neue Sachen.
    Ob Kugellager, Schrauben, Werkzeuge oder Industriebdearf. Hier findet der Gewerbetreibende alles für die Instandhaltung, Fertigung und
    Produktion. Einfach Spitze der Shop.
    {Ich bin nicht das erste Mal hier und finde immer das
    was ich suche. Nein, ich schaue regelmäßig auf dieser Webseite nach und finde immer
    neue Sachen. Ob Kugellager, Schrauben, Werkzeuge
    oder Industriebdearf. Hier findet der Gewerbetreibende alles für die Instandhaltung, Fertigung und Produktion.
    Einfach Spitze der Shop.
    {Ich bin nicht das erste Mal hier und finde immer das was ich suche.

    Nein, ich schaue regelmäßig auf dieser Webseite nach und finde
    immer neue Sachen. Ob Kugellager, Schrauben, Werkzeuge oder Industriebdearf.

    Hier findet der Gewerbetreibende alles für die Instandhaltung, Fertigung und Produktion.
    Einfach Spitze der Shop.
    {Ich bin nicht das erste Mal hier und finde immer das was ich suche.
    Nein, ich schaue regelmäßig auf dieser Webseite nach und finde
    immer neue Sachen. Ob Kugellager, Schrauben, Werkzeuge oder Industriebdearf.
    Hier findet der Gewerbetreibende alles für die Instandhaltung, Fertigung
    und Produktion. Einfach Spitze der Shop.
    {Ich bin nicht das erste Mal hier und finde immer
    das was ich suche. Nein, ich schaue regelmäßig auf dieser Webseite nach und finde immer neue Sachen.
    Ob Kugellager, Schrauben, Werkzeuge oder Industriebdearf.
    Hier findet der Gewerbetreibende alles für die Instandhaltung,
    Fertigung und Produktion. Einfach Spitze der Shop.

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    Nein, ich schaue regelmäßig auf dieser Webseite nach und finde immer neue Sachen.
    Ob Kugellager, Schrauben, Werkzeuge oder Industriebdearf.

    Hier findet der Gewerbetreibende alles für
    die Instandhaltung, Fertigung und Produktion. Einfach Spitze der
    Shop.
    {Ich bin nicht das erste Mal hier und finde immer das was ich suche.
    Nein, ich schaue regelmäßig auf dieser Webseite
    nach und finde immer neue Sachen. Ob Kugellager, Schrauben, Werkzeuge oder Industriebdearf.

    Hier findet der Gewerbetreibende alles für
    die Instandhaltung, Fertigung und Produktion. Einfach Spitze der Shop.

    {Ich bin nicht das erste Mal hier und finde immer das was ich suche.
    Nein, ich schaue regelmäßig auf dieser Webseite nach und finde immer neue Sachen.
    Ob Kugellager, Schrauben, Werkzeuge oder Industriebdearf.
    Hier findet der Gewerbetreibende alles für die Instandhaltung, Fertigung und Produktion.
    Einfach Spitze der Shop.

    1. I’m approving this site unseen (not clicking your link bro, German’s and their weird fetishes have me a little skurred tbh) because what better to classy up this comment section than a German rendition of War and Peace?

  43. Grind.. thank you for doing this. I just confirmed a redirect experiment on some of my sites by reading this post of yours.

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